The gender-bending Palins

Food for thought from World Net Daily.

How ironic that Christian conservatives rightly faulting Obama as a socialist so readily applaud Palin whose feminist views, whether realized or not, share much in common with Marxism.

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Also check out this humdinger of a message from Pastor Joe Morecraft entitled “Women Civil Magistrates?”

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  1. Perry,
    Thanks for all of your input. I totally agree with you on this. I have found it very sad that some Christains start talking about Deborah when they say it’s ok for Palin to run. I believe God was passing judgement on the Israelites when He chose her since no man wanted the job. What these people miss is that Deborah didn’t seek this job. We read that she stayed pretty much away from the politics. There was godly man running for president here & he wasn’t chosen by the party because he was against the machine so to say that God has chosen Ms. Palin like He chose Deborah is far off in my opinion. Thanks for letting me share.

  2. Perry,
    As usual, spot on. My DH and I have thoroughly enjoyed all your wise words on this subject.

    As for the ones who oppose….
    Most Christians these days are waist deep in culture instead of the Gospel .So it surprises me none that Sarah Palin was accepted with open arms. It is sad but I am not surprised.
    The idea that a woman should run this or any country is a CULTURAL belief, not a BIBLICAL belief. If you prefer to live your life by what culture dictates and not God, have at it. Vote how YOU want to vote, not how God dictates us to vote. But do not take your cultural beliefs and act as if they came of God’s mouth. They didn’t and that is why most who oppose can not find scripture to back it up. I don’t want to hear about Deborah, Ester or whoever your assuming was a RULER. If you have scripture that explains away the headship, then by all means….show it.
    God Bless,
    Michele

  3. Ashli,

    on another note, and I am not calling names, your 2nd photo on your blog your hair is longer than mine…

    What does your not cutting your hair remark have to do with anything. I think your hair is about the same length as Palins…

  4. I am simply amazed at the vitriolic comments I see posted here. I’m glad I haven’t let my daughter (who frequently reads this blog) read all this nonsense. TRYING TO FIT THE BIBLE INTO YOUR FEMINIST MODERNIST VIEWS WITHOUT TOTALLY MAKING THE BIBLE IRRELEVENT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

  5. Erich,

    I cordially invite you to share just one example.
    Cheers

  6. I just find it funny how someone can use scriptures and make them work for what their views are. Read the BIBLE and understand it, before you change the meaning of what it says. Read your Bible while you still can, and please do not take it out of context to make it work with what you believe.

  7. Let me be brief, although I have been called a feminazi by one conservative and I am not a follower of Christ, I am Republican. I also believe any woman with a four month old disabled child should be with her children, NOT running for VP. period. As a mother of 5 and a NON-believer in family “planning” I find it disgraceful that such a woman would ever be selected as VP in the first place. Not only is she leaving her baby behind, but her leadership is less than adequate as evidenced by her daughter.

    As a mother I find it disturbing that she chose to go one a 9 hour flight AFTER her water broke. She should have been on the ground somewhere safe. I further find it disturbing that she works the day after giving birth. I don’t believe a good mother does such things. My own children had most of their early lives with me. Even Joyce Brothers, of whom most of your should be familiar, says the first two years should be with mom. This woman is a slap in the face of any decent conservative irregardless of religious affiliation.

    I am not for the Constitution party, I am for Ron Paul plain and simple.

  8. Haven’t read the ENTIRE article yet but it looks like Elijah has hit another one out of the park.

    http://ketoctonbaptist.blogspot.com/2008/09/remember.html

  9. Sallie,

    I not saying if you vote for Palin you are going to hell. I am saying that the Bible speaks to every area of life and as Christian even voting.

    When we talk about seeking God’s will and leading in a particular area then we should start with the stuff he already told us – what he wrote down so that we don’t forget – in the Bible.

    What I and HomemakerAng am arguing is when we run McCain, Palin and Obama,Biden through the grid of obvious things we see in the Bible it becomes a no brainer for us as to whether or not we can (or shouldn’t ) vote for them.

    To me if i can find sufficient evidence in the text of Scripture which precludes voting for McCain then I don’t need any further leading.

    We can we agree on that – I hope – even if we can’t agree on what the final decision should be. 🙂

    Thanks for the discussion.

  10. Ashli,

    Thanks for coming here and being gracious and Christ-like as we wade through seemingly difficult issues.

    I’ve found that name calling and sarcasm are always the best way to reach those who disagree with me. :O

    As to your points…well here goes :

    “the Palins really do represent all that is wrong with America”

    Well NO the Palins represent what is wrong with the church, they represent the level of acceptance of Marxist thinking the church is willing to swallow it achieve short term goals.

    “I’m glad you are rallying with all that is within you to fight against having Christian conservatives in leadership rather than spending your energy to fight against abortion, child abuse, pornography, poverty, homelessness,”

    You don’t know me and you don’t read our blog very closely so how you come to any quantifiable measurement of how we may be working through these issues is a mystery.

    However I submit you are operating under the FALSE assumption that “Maverick” McCain will appoint better judges that Obama. There is nothing in the long term record of McCain or the Party of Lincoln that give me such confidence. I mean you do remember this is the same McCain that went to John Kerry and asked to be his running mate…right?

    This is this same McCain of whom James Dobson said :

    “I’m deeply disappointed the Republican Party seems poised to select a nominee who did not support a Constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage, who voted for embryonic stem cell research to kill nascent human beings, who opposed tax cuts that ended the marriage penalty, and who has little regard for freedom of speech, who organized the Gang of 14 to preserve filibusters, and has a legendary temper and often uses foul and obscene language.

    “I am convinced Sen. McCain is not a conservative, and in fact, has gone out of his way to stick his thumb in the eyes of those who are. He has at times sounded more like a member of the other party. McCain actually considered leaving the GOP in 2001, and approached John Kerry about being Kerry’s running mate in 2004. McCain also said publicly that Hillary Clinton would make a good president. Given these and many other concerns, a spoonful of sugar does not make the medicine go down. I cannot, and I will not vote for Sen. John McCain, as a matter of conscience.”

    In your second comment you stated

    “They will accept their version of perfection only.”

    This is unnecessary sarcasm and is flat wrong. We do not try to rule your husband’s house or any other Christian’s house on how to vote. I will however make impassioned arguments from the objective words of Scripture for how I believe my brother and sisters in Christ should vote – if I’m wrong it won’t be the first time but I cordially invite you to show me where my reasoning is flawed…from Scripture.

    Disagree all you like but I’d appreciate you sticking to the positions and avoid straw man attacks if possible.

    “We’re searching for Jesus Christ himself on the ticket. And if you can’t find Him, well there’s always Barack Obama.”

    It’s a red herring to argue that I or my wife is trying to achieve some sort of perfection this side of heaven. If perfection was the issue we would have no leadership anywhere in any sphere…God plainly tells us there is none righteous no not one.

    If you proclaim yourself to be a Christian and IF God’s Holy and infallable word give us standards (as I argue it does) then as a Christain you must reconcile with the objective standards of God’s word in how you vote.

    “Let’s make sure, as Christians, we do all that we can, STOP AT NOTHING, to keep it from being overturned. ABORTION FOR ALL … as long as women don’t cut their hair or have jobs outside the home.”

    WOW I hardly know where to start on this one. First there is the false assumption that the Republicans (the same ones who had control of the legislative and executive branches for 6 years) will do anything substantial to stop abortion.

    Secondly is the false notion that politics trump Christian family order or are more important than foundational issues such as maintaining godly order within our homes.

    Ps 11: 3 If the foundations are destroyed,
    What can the righteous do?

    Having the church embrace something like female magistrates – which flies in the face of the creation order is far more serious to me than whether 51% of the country at large vote for an open Marxist like Obama.

    Thirdly and not lastly is your gross misinterpretation of certain cultural positions as moral absolutes. We have addressed wearing dresses, cutting hair and working outside the home on this blog, it’s true. Yet we have never treated these issues in the manner you imply.

    I would suggest that you and anyone else who is apparently afraid of an Obama presidency go back and read Proverbs 24 especially verse 19

    ” Do not fret because of evildoers…”

    In fact a couple of months of Proverbs would probably do us all some good.

    Proverbs 3:

    5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
    And lean not on your own understanding;
    6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
    And He shall direct your paths.

    I’m happy to discuss through issues, but folks let’s keep it civil.

  11. Since I’m confused because it feels like you are throwing perceptions on to me and what you “think” I am ok with, I feel its just best to try to graciously bow out now rather than have Kim and Perrys blog taken over. It doesn’t seem fair to do that to them.

    BTW, I really enjoyed looking at your farm photos over at your blog. May God richly bless you!

    Sallie

  12. what part do you have to seek God’s will on killing the unborn?

  13. You are assuming you know who I am voting for. I have not come to a decision yet because I am still praying… seeking God’s will in everything and being ready to go with that does not make you go on your feelings or gut instincts. It makes you discerning. You can put me on what ever side you wish to make your judgement call on.

  14. if you are ok with all of that then the math is done. The line in the stand is drawn and you are on the other side. If you are ok with that then so be it…

  15. so are you saying then its God’s will for you to vote for a man who supports embryonic stem cell research and abortion? Last I checked God wasn’t for abortion, its one of the 10 commandments, “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” …

    yes none is without sin, including me, but I will not be voting for someone who thinks its ok to create life and then murder the unborn for the sake of research. You either are for abortion or not you are either conservative or not. this isn’t all about Palin, she is just the icing on this horrible cake…

    I know God wouldn’t tell you to vote for someone who believes in abortion when you are praying to Him… you cant go on your feelings… There is nothing righteouss about the murder of the unborn…

  16. Sallie, you are wrong, the writer’s of this blog are against the lesser-of-two-evils approach that you are suggesting. They will accept their version of perfection only. And you are not allowed to vote until you find it. We’re searching for Jesus Christ himself on the ticket. And if you can’t find Him, well there’s always Barack Obama. He’s apparently the conservative Savior of America. We’ll stop at nothing until we ensure Roe-v-Wade solidified in America for eternity. Let’s make sure, as Christians, we do all that we can, STOP AT NOTHING, to keep it from being overturned. ABORTION FOR ALL … as long as women don’t cut their hair or have jobs outside the home. It’s refreshing to see “conservative Christians” jump on this bandwagon.

  17. By the way, I know many people who have been thinking the Constitution Party is the only GREAT way to go. Some of those same people who support it have had their houses repossed this year because they thought it was just easier to let the banks take the house back. The VP candidate on that ticket is an attorney that among other things represents those filing for bankruptcy. I think people who support the CP are thinking “lesser of all evils” as well and so again shows that none of are really 100%, nor can we ever be until Christ returns..

  18. My heart is with praying for God to lead and guide me in my choice for which to vote for because God chooses who He will to be in those positions. I’m not a black and white line in the sand kind of thinker because I have EXPERIENCED miracles that were not “normative” but happened anyway through the workings of the Holy Spirit. I seek God and His will, not the righteousness of men who are blinded usually to their own imperfections anyway or seem to think their is an heirarchy of sin. The truth of the matter is that none of us are without sin and 100% conservative and blameless.

  19. what will it take for people to sway away from the rep. party? A blatant homosexual? or what if they just support tax breaks for homosexuals? is that ok then if they call themselves a “christian”. That is just an example. I am curious what it will take for others to cross over this line in the sand?

  20. sallie, it makes me think where their hearts might be though… “By their fruits we will know them”

    If a tree produces voting habits not for 100% truth, it just makes me wonder where these peoples hearts really are and where there roots are?

    I am not saying they are not believers but I am saying they are not voting for truth. I personally as a believer could not vote for 100% TRUTH. I want to be on that 100% conservative team, not the team that raises their hands at the super bowl when jessica simpson decides to sing a hymn and now everyone is one big happy “christian family” all warm and fuzzy!

    If you are comfortable voting republican than I would question where your heart is… Thats what I am talking about, drawing a line in the sand!

  21. Homemakerang, it sounds as if you are saying everyone who thinks voting for Palin is ok will be going to hell because they aren’t “really” on the team. I’m saddened that one bit of theological difference of opinion would make you toss all those people out of heaven…

  22. Boy, you guys are right — the Palins really do represent all that is wrong with America. I’m glad you are rallying with all that is within you to fight against having Christian conservatives in leadership rather than spending your energy to fight against abortion, child abuse, pornography, poverty, homelessness, and Americans dying without proper medicine and healthcare. You go. You fight those evil Palins. And then when Obama is appointing his liberal cronies to the federal judgeships and the Supreme Court, you can sit back satisfied that you have done your part to make America a better, more conservative place. It’s a great plan.

  23. i have to tell ya, i truly believe this election is drawing a line in the sand regarding who is really conservative or not! I am so saddened that people i truly thought were kindred spirits I no longer see that way as they are more than willing to drink the red punch and swallow this republican tradgedy all in the name of God! “She’s a christian”, “he is against abortion”, “You are giving a vote to Obabma” It has caused a lot of saddness and discord in my very own family and they peg me (us) as an extremist or some weirdo. Its ok as we have never had a problem standing up for Chirst at any cost but I find it interesting it has come down to this to make the line in the sand. I am sure many other households are dealing with this same thing… I believe God is spewing all of this lukewarmenss out of his mouth in our very own familiels and I believe we can truly see who is really on the team and who is not…

  24. Thanks for the sermon. I’ve saved it. I must admit this year has marked the first time in my life that I have been ashamed of my own parents. I am astounded that they feel there is nothing biblically wrong with Palin running. My Christian friends who have the same opinion have led to bouts of weeping that I cannot recall ever having experienced before this time.

  25. Do you worry that if Obama is elected, you may lose the right to homeschool your children?

    I am not skilled enough to debate the Biblical issue of women as civil magistrates, but the loss of any freedom to worship drives me to vote against Obama.

    I would welcome thought/debate on this issue. Thank you.

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