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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-61641</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reading this rather late also, but sure have gained tons of great information from all of you ladies. I am on the fence regarding hormonal BC and its supposed effects on conception and abortion. Any answers or guidance you can give me is greatly appreciated. I have been on and off BC since I was a teenager. I seem to be very fertile because my husband and I have conceived even when I am on very effective BC. I am 25 and already have 4 children. NFP does not seem to work for me as I am very fertile and my cycles aren&#039;t regular. While having more children is not completely out of the question in the future, as of now I do not feel ready (spiritually or physically) to have more children. My 4 are all under age 6 and I feel like I would crumble under any more pressure or work, but of course I would never want to kill my baby. I am very torn about this and don&#039;t know what to do. Of course when I spoke to my doctor about my BC, he said it did not cause abortion of any kind, which just makes me terribly angry at him, either for his ignorance in being a doctor or his untruthfulness, whichever it is. Add to all of this the stares in the grocery store, snide comments, and flat-out mean-spirited attitudes from my mother and grandmother and strangers about &quot;all those children you have to take care of&quot;, and I feel like I&#039;m damned if I do, damned if I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading this rather late also, but sure have gained tons of great information from all of you ladies. I am on the fence regarding hormonal BC and its supposed effects on conception and abortion. Any answers or guidance you can give me is greatly appreciated. I have been on and off BC since I was a teenager. I seem to be very fertile because my husband and I have conceived even when I am on very effective BC. I am 25 and already have 4 children. NFP does not seem to work for me as I am very fertile and my cycles aren&#8217;t regular. While having more children is not completely out of the question in the future, as of now I do not feel ready (spiritually or physically) to have more children. My 4 are all under age 6 and I feel like I would crumble under any more pressure or work, but of course I would never want to kill my baby. I am very torn about this and don&#8217;t know what to do. Of course when I spoke to my doctor about my BC, he said it did not cause abortion of any kind, which just makes me terribly angry at him, either for his ignorance in being a doctor or his untruthfulness, whichever it is. Add to all of this the stares in the grocery store, snide comments, and flat-out mean-spirited attitudes from my mother and grandmother and strangers about &#8220;all those children you have to take care of&#8221;, and I feel like I&#8217;m damned if I do, damned if I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-49327</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God he spared me from the pain these ladies have experienced.  I never took the pill for 2 reasons thanks to my wonderful friends who told me about the risks.  They didn&#039;t say anything about the risks of miscarriage/abortion.  What they did tell me was 2 things (one of which I have confirmed by a research article that was done in a university in CA, which has since been removed probably due to pressure from the pill manufacturer!!)

1.  AUTISM - My dear friend&#039;s sister got pregnant while on the pill and took it for at least another month before finding out she was pregnant.  Her son is autistic.  Since I heard of this there have been many other women I&#039;ve heard of who had the same exact problem.  I read a research paper once that proved this very risk is real indeed, but somehow never gets published for long.

2.  INFERTILITY - Occasionally women take the pill and are never fertile again.   A different friend&#039;s sister had been taking it for a while at the start of her marriage (I talked to this woman personally) she very much wanted a child but after 1 year off the pill she was unable to get pregnant.  After about 2 years off the pill God was gracious and finally blessed her with a daughter.  She no longer uses it.  

A while later a close friend of mine told me she had been forced (FORCED!) to take a shot of depo as a teenager so she &quot;wouldn&#039;t be a teen mom&quot;.  She had horrible irregular periods for YEARS and severe pain.  Her hormones became so bad she grew a beard!  She had at least 2 miscarriages in a row before she was mercifully able to carry to term but she could not start labor naturally, and she can trace it all back to that shot.

These are just anecdotal but since I knew the people personally, it was enough to convince me.   Neither their sisters nor I ever went on the pill because of this.  Well it really makes a lot of sense.  If your system isn&#039;t lacking in a hormone, it can only throw it out of balance to add more of it!  It can not correct a well-functioning system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God he spared me from the pain these ladies have experienced.  I never took the pill for 2 reasons thanks to my wonderful friends who told me about the risks.  They didn&#8217;t say anything about the risks of miscarriage/abortion.  What they did tell me was 2 things (one of which I have confirmed by a research article that was done in a university in CA, which has since been removed probably due to pressure from the pill manufacturer!!)</p>
<p>1.  AUTISM &#8211; My dear friend&#8217;s sister got pregnant while on the pill and took it for at least another month before finding out she was pregnant.  Her son is autistic.  Since I heard of this there have been many other women I&#8217;ve heard of who had the same exact problem.  I read a research paper once that proved this very risk is real indeed, but somehow never gets published for long.</p>
<p>2.  INFERTILITY &#8211; Occasionally women take the pill and are never fertile again.   A different friend&#8217;s sister had been taking it for a while at the start of her marriage (I talked to this woman personally) she very much wanted a child but after 1 year off the pill she was unable to get pregnant.  After about 2 years off the pill God was gracious and finally blessed her with a daughter.  She no longer uses it.  </p>
<p>A while later a close friend of mine told me she had been forced (FORCED!) to take a shot of depo as a teenager so she &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t be a teen mom&#8221;.  She had horrible irregular periods for YEARS and severe pain.  Her hormones became so bad she grew a beard!  She had at least 2 miscarriages in a row before she was mercifully able to carry to term but she could not start labor naturally, and she can trace it all back to that shot.</p>
<p>These are just anecdotal but since I knew the people personally, it was enough to convince me.   Neither their sisters nor I ever went on the pill because of this.  Well it really makes a lot of sense.  If your system isn&#8217;t lacking in a hormone, it can only throw it out of balance to add more of it!  It can not correct a well-functioning system.</p>
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		<title>By: Aileen</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-47743</link>
		<dc:creator>Aileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kim

I am very late in reading this post but I have only just found your blog.  Whilst I do not agree with everything you say I do respect your views and if you and your family are happy that is the main thing.

However on this post I do feel a bit het up about it.  The way I read it it sounds like you are saying being on contraceptive (whatever form you use, I myself used the implant for a few years for personal reasons between me and my husband) makes it sound that is the cause of the miscarriage because of it making &quot; harder for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus&quot;.  This is perfectly true whilst you are on the contraception, as you so rightly put it is in case Plan A doesnt work, however dependant on what research you read the BC pill does not increase the risk of miscarriage and some research even suggests that that using hormonal birth control for a long time could preserve the eggs and decrease the risk of miscarriage due to chromosomal abnormalities for moms over 30. Another study found that long-term use of oral contraception led to mums getting pregnant more quickly after deciding to conceive, and the researchers cited additional past research that suggested pregnancies after recent pill usage were less likely to end in miscarriage.  Some research disagrees which will always happen in research as that is what science is all about!   I had a miscarriage when I was younger (before I had ever used birth control) that I knew about and a 3 others that were not official but I know they were.  I have also since I came of the implant had at least 3 or 4 miscarriages in the last 5 years (2 of them was when I went to the hospital and found out my baby had not made it past 8 weeks in my uterus) and 1 or 2 of them have been when I have tested positive on a home preg test and then about a week later started bleeding.  I have been for a tests and there is nothing wrong with my &quot;bits&quot; and there is nothing wrong with my husbands &quot;bits&quot; either, it is just one of these unexplained things.  If God wishes to decide that I cannot have children because I used BC then that is his choice but I certainly do not believe that I am being punished because I used BC and even if I am then I still wouldnt change what I did.  I do hope that when your sister&#039;s friend was having her miscarriage when she would have been feeling awful that you did not tell her that there was a good chance it had been because she had taken the birth control pill as that would just make her feel even worse.  Perhaps her doctor believed as you do (although I would hope not) that it was because of her BC pill but didnt want to upset her any further as really what exactly is she going to now?  Turn back the clock and never take it in the first place? 

Anyway I am sorry for the essay and apologies if anything I have said has offended you as I do enjoy reading your blog (only found it about 3 days ago) and whilst I would not want a family of 10 children I do respect your decision to have 10 and you all seem very happy.

Thanks for reading

Aileen (from Scotland)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim</p>
<p>I am very late in reading this post but I have only just found your blog.  Whilst I do not agree with everything you say I do respect your views and if you and your family are happy that is the main thing.</p>
<p>However on this post I do feel a bit het up about it.  The way I read it it sounds like you are saying being on contraceptive (whatever form you use, I myself used the implant for a few years for personal reasons between me and my husband) makes it sound that is the cause of the miscarriage because of it making &#8221; harder for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus&#8221;.  This is perfectly true whilst you are on the contraception, as you so rightly put it is in case Plan A doesnt work, however dependant on what research you read the BC pill does not increase the risk of miscarriage and some research even suggests that that using hormonal birth control for a long time could preserve the eggs and decrease the risk of miscarriage due to chromosomal abnormalities for moms over 30. Another study found that long-term use of oral contraception led to mums getting pregnant more quickly after deciding to conceive, and the researchers cited additional past research that suggested pregnancies after recent pill usage were less likely to end in miscarriage.  Some research disagrees which will always happen in research as that is what science is all about!   I had a miscarriage when I was younger (before I had ever used birth control) that I knew about and a 3 others that were not official but I know they were.  I have also since I came of the implant had at least 3 or 4 miscarriages in the last 5 years (2 of them was when I went to the hospital and found out my baby had not made it past 8 weeks in my uterus) and 1 or 2 of them have been when I have tested positive on a home preg test and then about a week later started bleeding.  I have been for a tests and there is nothing wrong with my &#8220;bits&#8221; and there is nothing wrong with my husbands &#8220;bits&#8221; either, it is just one of these unexplained things.  If God wishes to decide that I cannot have children because I used BC then that is his choice but I certainly do not believe that I am being punished because I used BC and even if I am then I still wouldnt change what I did.  I do hope that when your sister&#8217;s friend was having her miscarriage when she would have been feeling awful that you did not tell her that there was a good chance it had been because she had taken the birth control pill as that would just make her feel even worse.  Perhaps her doctor believed as you do (although I would hope not) that it was because of her BC pill but didnt want to upset her any further as really what exactly is she going to now?  Turn back the clock and never take it in the first place? </p>
<p>Anyway I am sorry for the essay and apologies if anything I have said has offended you as I do enjoy reading your blog (only found it about 3 days ago) and whilst I would not want a family of 10 children I do respect your decision to have 10 and you all seem very happy.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading</p>
<p>Aileen (from Scotland)</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-42706</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little late in reading this post, but I want to thank you. This post has encouraged me to try again. My dearest, closest friends are all, without exception, on some form of birth control pill. Most of them have been told by their CHRISTIAN DOCTORS that there is no way that the specific pill they are on would ever cause an abortion. I checked that drug (tri-sprintec) on drugs.com and it reads exactly the same as the ones you specified. 
I have talked with all of them before about the phrase you mentioned &quot;harder for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus&quot; but they choose their doctors over me. It&#039;s convenient that way. 
I love them and do not want to lose their friendship, so I stopped bugging them about it. But one is wanting to now get pregnant. It IS my responsibility to talk to her again. And my other friends. 
I was hoping our lives could be a witness, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s working. I am taking life-saving medication that causes birth defects. My specialist wants me on an IUD; we refuse. We are using NFP. I thought that would speak volumes--we have &quot;reason&quot; to be on hormonal birth control, but we aren&#039;t. But my friends just give me that &quot;okay so you&#039;re crazy&quot; look. 
Thank you for the push, and for posting. God is still using your post even more than a year later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little late in reading this post, but I want to thank you. This post has encouraged me to try again. My dearest, closest friends are all, without exception, on some form of birth control pill. Most of them have been told by their CHRISTIAN DOCTORS that there is no way that the specific pill they are on would ever cause an abortion. I checked that drug (tri-sprintec) on drugs.com and it reads exactly the same as the ones you specified.<br />
I have talked with all of them before about the phrase you mentioned &#8220;harder for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus&#8221; but they choose their doctors over me. It&#8217;s convenient that way.<br />
I love them and do not want to lose their friendship, so I stopped bugging them about it. But one is wanting to now get pregnant. It IS my responsibility to talk to her again. And my other friends.<br />
I was hoping our lives could be a witness, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s working. I am taking life-saving medication that causes birth defects. My specialist wants me on an IUD; we refuse. We are using NFP. I thought that would speak volumes&#8211;we have &#8220;reason&#8221; to be on hormonal birth control, but we aren&#8217;t. But my friends just give me that &#8220;okay so you&#8217;re crazy&#8221; look.<br />
Thank you for the push, and for posting. God is still using your post even more than a year later!</p>
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		<title>By: ren Baier</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-25988</link>
		<dc:creator>ren Baier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 24 year old daughter died because of birth control pill this past April. BIRTH CONTROL PILLS KILL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 24 year old daughter died because of birth control pill this past April. BIRTH CONTROL PILLS KILL.</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-25907</link>
		<dc:creator>Susannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t comment often but this post struck a chord.  I was on the Pill for 5 years at the start of my marriage.  It was prescribed by a female, Christian doctor, so it never occurred to me that it might have abortifacient effects.  Once I learned of the possibility that I might be aborting my children (!!!), I never went back to hormonal bc again.  I was shocked when I recalled that the Christian dr. never once brought up the possibility.  There are other effective measures for spacing pregnancies, and women do not have to resort to hormonal bc for that reason!  Re:  the question above why I believe life begins at conception, rather than implantation...well, obviously, it is at conception that you have an entirely new individual come into being, genetically speaking.  Implantation is the start of the placental formation, not the formation of the individual.  Any medical textbook you read will inform you further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t comment often but this post struck a chord.  I was on the Pill for 5 years at the start of my marriage.  It was prescribed by a female, Christian doctor, so it never occurred to me that it might have abortifacient effects.  Once I learned of the possibility that I might be aborting my children (!!!), I never went back to hormonal bc again.  I was shocked when I recalled that the Christian dr. never once brought up the possibility.  There are other effective measures for spacing pregnancies, and women do not have to resort to hormonal bc for that reason!  Re:  the question above why I believe life begins at conception, rather than implantation&#8230;well, obviously, it is at conception that you have an entirely new individual come into being, genetically speaking.  Implantation is the start of the placental formation, not the formation of the individual.  Any medical textbook you read will inform you further.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-25897</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahoo news had an article on the bad effects of Depo Provera.  If anyone is considering using it or (God forbid) putting their young daughters on it (which i have heard of happening too many times to discount, even among Christians), you would do well to read up on it.  Abortifacient effects aside, it is &#039;easy&#039;, &#039;convenient&#039;, and very, very bad for women.

What I want to know is, why are feminists not outraged over the risks, side-effects, and complications of these drugs.  Women were used as guinea pigs in the early days of these things, and women are still the only ones suffering the side-effects.  Is freedom from childbearing to be promoted at *any* cost, even at a cost to women themselves?

Someone mentioned the drugs in the water...my sister&#039;s boyfriend is majoring in something having to do with environmental biology.  He&#039;s out slogging through swamps etc every weekend.  But interestingly he&#039;s seen the direct effects of bc hormones on the environment up close and personal.  It is affecting the fish and frog populations in a very noticeable way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo news had an article on the bad effects of Depo Provera.  If anyone is considering using it or (God forbid) putting their young daughters on it (which i have heard of happening too many times to discount, even among Christians), you would do well to read up on it.  Abortifacient effects aside, it is &#8216;easy&#8217;, &#8216;convenient&#8217;, and very, very bad for women.</p>
<p>What I want to know is, why are feminists not outraged over the risks, side-effects, and complications of these drugs.  Women were used as guinea pigs in the early days of these things, and women are still the only ones suffering the side-effects.  Is freedom from childbearing to be promoted at *any* cost, even at a cost to women themselves?</p>
<p>Someone mentioned the drugs in the water&#8230;my sister&#8217;s boyfriend is majoring in something having to do with environmental biology.  He&#8217;s out slogging through swamps etc every weekend.  But interestingly he&#8217;s seen the direct effects of bc hormones on the environment up close and personal.  It is affecting the fish and frog populations in a very noticeable way.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-25887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel very strongly it is our duty to take care of our bodies as they are the temple of the Holy Spirit. 

We personally need to inform ourselves of the effects of anything we put in our body, whether Pharmakia drugs (including BC), foods (especially ones with preservatives or chemical brain toxins like msg and aspertame), or un-foods (like white flour/sugar, hydrogenated oils, etc).

There is so much our there that the big companies make money off and it is not always in doctors best interest (monetarily) to keep himself informed of side effects. Like I said, it is our responsability.

OT: I watched this yesterday. Can we start a new thread and call it &quot;Vaccines and flu shots make me mad?&quot;:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcoJW6mj1U&amp;feature=related

(Thankfully, we have been able to avoid any of this in our family. I was raised being informed about vaccines...this just makes it so clear how unfair to the public they are being.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel very strongly it is our duty to take care of our bodies as they are the temple of the Holy Spirit. </p>
<p>We personally need to inform ourselves of the effects of anything we put in our body, whether Pharmakia drugs (including BC), foods (especially ones with preservatives or chemical brain toxins like msg and aspertame), or un-foods (like white flour/sugar, hydrogenated oils, etc).</p>
<p>There is so much our there that the big companies make money off and it is not always in doctors best interest (monetarily) to keep himself informed of side effects. Like I said, it is our responsability.</p>
<p>OT: I watched this yesterday. Can we start a new thread and call it &#8220;Vaccines and flu shots make me mad?&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcoJW6mj1U&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcoJW6mj1U&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>(Thankfully, we have been able to avoid any of this in our family. I was raised being informed about vaccines&#8230;this just makes it so clear how unfair to the public they are being.)</p>
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		<title>By: kimc</title>
		<link>http://inashoe.com/2009/12/birth-control-mad/#comment-25880</link>
		<dc:creator>kimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,
Other ladies have already addressed your point, but I&#039;ll reiterate: this post is not about whether you believe it&#039;s ok to use birth control, but about the effects and after-effects of certain types of birth control.
We don&#039;t use NFP; we agree with you that it is simply a natural form of birth control.  I linked above to my older post about our position on birth control.
But this post is not about whether or not a couple should use birth control.
This post is about the fact that many popular types of birth control don&#039;t reliably prevent fertilization but use a secondary mechanism as backup: they abort a newly conceived child instead by preventing implantation.
Many who use birth control but would never consider an abortion would be horrified to know this.  I hope to help spread the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,<br />
Other ladies have already addressed your point, but I&#8217;ll reiterate: this post is not about whether you believe it&#8217;s ok to use birth control, but about the effects and after-effects of certain types of birth control.<br />
We don&#8217;t use NFP; we agree with you that it is simply a natural form of birth control.  I linked above to my older post about our position on birth control.<br />
But this post is not about whether or not a couple should use birth control.<br />
This post is about the fact that many popular types of birth control don&#8217;t reliably prevent fertilization but use a secondary mechanism as backup: they abort a newly conceived child instead by preventing implantation.<br />
Many who use birth control but would never consider an abortion would be horrified to know this.  I hope to help spread the word.</p>
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		<title>By: renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,

The big thing for me, not just because of my faith in Christ, but also because I believe life begins at the moment of conception...is that BC doesn&#039;t prevent an egg and sperm from meeting and conceiving, it prevents the post-conception egg from attaching to the uterus and growing. Instead, BC aborts the baby from your body.

Some here may not agree with me, but I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with using a condom or charting your cycle to prevent pregnancy. There are a myriad of reasons why one would not want to have a baby at any given time, some selfish, some practical, some medical, some emotional...I just don&#039;t believe that BC is the right way to do it.

Hope this explains it a little better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,</p>
<p>The big thing for me, not just because of my faith in Christ, but also because I believe life begins at the moment of conception&#8230;is that BC doesn&#8217;t prevent an egg and sperm from meeting and conceiving, it prevents the post-conception egg from attaching to the uterus and growing. Instead, BC aborts the baby from your body.</p>
<p>Some here may not agree with me, but I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with using a condom or charting your cycle to prevent pregnancy. There are a myriad of reasons why one would not want to have a baby at any given time, some selfish, some practical, some medical, some emotional&#8230;I just don&#8217;t believe that BC is the right way to do it.</p>
<p>Hope this explains it a little better&#8230;</p>
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