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4 Moms: teaching Bible

Current giveaway: The Last Pilgrims book: ends 2/23

Welcome back to the weekly 4 Moms post, in which 4 moms with a collective total of 35 children share our knowledge, experience and and helpful tips in maintaining health, order and sanity.

First, I recommend you see what the other 3 Moms have to say about teaching Bible:

  • Connie at Smockity Frocks
  • Headmistress at The Common Room
  • Kimberly at Raising Olives
  • If I seem a bit giddy, disjointed or just plain insane today, chalk it up to any or all of the following factors:

    1. I’ve taken a month off of blogging and am having a bit of trouble getting my brain back into blogging mode.
    2. My lovely children talk nonstop.  To me.  I love them, but holding a train of thought is about as easy as holding a real train.
    3. I was up nearly all night with 3 sick children and a baby who is ruining my reputation by refusing to sleep through the night.
    4. My washer exploded this afternoon, flooding the laundry room.  Remember the part about vomiting children?

    I’m not complaining.  I’ve had worse days.  Not many, but a few.  There was the Great Poop Flood of ’99, for example.  Hey, check it out: we’re #1 on Google for the search term Poop Flood.  Call it a silver lining around that black, black cloud.

    At any rate, days like these remind us why we need God.  It’s easy to forget when everything goes right, but  His Word is an encouragement when things go wrong, a light to our feet (Psalm 119:105), and a reminder that everything is part of His will and plan for us (Romans 8:28) – plans for our own good (Jeremiah 29:11), even when it doesn’t quite look that way.

    I’ve blogged in the past about how we teach Bible and some of our favorite resources, so I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t go into depth today.  The methods change over time and some of those past posts look nothing like what we do now, but they served us well during other seasons.

    Bible Time for Little Ones

    George Sarris Bible CDs

    It’s All Bible Time

    Family Worship

    Daily Proverbs

    and more on Proverbs

    Right now, everyone old enough to read is making their way through the New Testament at a rate of 10 chapters/day.  Those too young to read are listening to me as I read a portion of each day’s selection aloud.  Our plan is to begin and end in month of January.  Of course you miss a lot of small details when you read at this rate, but you might be surprised at how much of the bigger picture you catch.  It’s a very different way to read the Bible.

    I would love to make this a yearly tradition, but we’ll wait and see how that idea is received next January.

    This is something we did years ago, when we had 2 rather new readers who were still a little slow.  They found the idea of 10 chapters/day daunting, but they buckled down and did it, and by the end of the month my reluctant readers were fluent bibliophiles who had done what I didn’t do until my 30′s: read the entire NT.  After that, they willingly set themselves to the OT.

    I have similar hopes for Natalie and Becca this year.  Both are intimidated by what we have undertaken, but I know they can do it.  It will be a challenge for all of us, and all of us will know God a little better at the end of January.

    In fact, does anyone want to join us?  If you start today, you can be done with the entire New Testament in less than 30 days.  You might even beat us, because we’re not off to the best start.  We’re learning a lot this week about bending our plans to God’s will for us on a daily level.


    Upcoming topics for 4 Moms 35 Kids:

    • January 13: Favorite cold weather foods.  Be ready to link up with your own recipe!
    • January 20: Book recommendations for preschoolers
    • January 27: Q & A.  Got a question?  Leave it in the comments on my last Q&A post.
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    Bible verses for labor, anyone?

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    Not that I need them just yet, but you never know!

    Do you have any favorite passages you like to meditate on during labor?  I’d love to have a list in the comments so I can find them when the time comes.  If you don’t mind, please copy the scripture itself into the comment for me (Bible Gateway is a good place to get the text) so I won’t have to go look for it, and feel free to say why that particular verse or passage is special or appropriate to you during labor.

    I’m feeling much more ready to have and meet this baby – not just in terms of having things prepared, but also more ready to face labor and delivery.  Overall, I’m having very little false labor, far less than usual at this stage, but last night I was awake for several hours with minor contractions, and found myself hoping that it might be real labor.  This is a huge shift from the apprehension I’ve been fighting for the past weeks, and I’m so thankful that God is preparing me.  He always does; I don’t know why I let it worry me each time!

    Now I’m just wondering how far into my traditional 2 week window of eagerness I am.  Did it start when I began to think a lot about labor, with my May 17 Baby on the Brain post?  That would mean I might very well deliver on Memorial Day, which would thrill me.

    Or did the countdown just begin over the last day or two?  That could mean that I’ll be up to 2 weeks late, longer than I’ve ever gone before.  That wouldn’t be terrible since the heat bothers me more when I nurse a newborn than it does during pregnancy.  I wouldn’t mind getting just a bit more of the summer behind us before delivering, though I really am getting eager to meet this little one.

    Now don’t forget: what’s your favorite labor verse?  Share, please!


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    One more bit of insider info to help with your guess, if this wasn’t enough: today the midwife estimated that the baby was currently about 6.5 lbs.  If she’s right, that would be our smallest ever!

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    Thoughts on labor

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    This morning in my Bible reading, I came across this:

    But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.  For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.  For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

    I Thess. 5:1-3

    I’ve read this before, but this time it struck me a little differently – maybe because I’m less than 2 months from my duedate.

    This is how the last two weeks of pregnancy are for me: every day I feel as though I could go into labor any minute.  Is today the day?  Maybe today is the day.  I feel like today could be the day. I just can’t shake the feeling that labor is imminent.

    But then – the feeling goes away.  And then labor begins.  Is it just me, or does it work that way for you too?  I’ve mentioned it to other mothers and it seems to be nearly universal.  And I can’t help but think that Paul is referring to that short period of time after the feeling of imminence and urgency has passed, but before the first real contractions begin – or rather, God is.  Maybe Paul didn’t know all that much about the psychology and physiology behind labor, but God certainly does.

    The application?  I don’t know.  Don’t be complacent, because just when you feel like relaxing is when you need to be most ready?  Don’t ask this pregnant brain to think much beyond labor and delivery for the next 8 weeks.  But maybe you can figure it out yourself.

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    400 yo Bible bookmarks: choose your own

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    400 year old Bible pages

    400 year old Bible pages

    Since we haven’t hit you with too many sales pitches lately (er…have we?) I thought I’d just mention that I have a very nice lot of bookmarks for sale.  Like the ones on our Geneva Bible Pages site, these are each made from 1/2 of an ancient Bible page, damaged but still amazing.  All are from 1640 or earlier, either King James or Geneva version.

    Unlike the ones on our other site, I’m going to do something a little special here.  I’ll let you choose your bookmarks!  These are $7 each, with free shipping.  We like payment by Paypal.

    Orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis with preference given to larger orders.  May I suggest that you provide a backup choice for each request just in case your first choice is not available?

    Here’s what I currently have available, listed by the headers at the top of the pages:

    roman letter – A modern looking font, easy to read.  Many pages still have the “f” looking letters for “s”, “u” instead of “v” and other obsolete spellings.

    • Salomons prayer for the/Salomon praises God (II Chron)
    • The Arke of the Couenant./people.  His facrifice (II Chron)
    • Ieroboams deftruction forefhewed./He is flaine of a lion (I Kings)
    • Who neede the Phyfition./Iefus came to preach. (Mark)
    • Chrift tempted.  New doctrine./Confpiracie againft Chrift (Mark)
    • The Prophet feduced;/Rehoboam dieth.  Abijam (I Kings)
    • The Church in captiuitie/Gods power and mercie (Pfalmes)
    • A fhrewd wife./The want of the word (Proverbes)
    • Know thy flocke/Tale-bearers.  (Proverbes) – includes a favorite of ours, The wicked flee, when none purfueth: but the righteous are bold as a lyon.
    • The tongue of Canaan/Deftruction of Egypt. (Ifaiah)
    • Of Damafcus and Ifrael/Ifaiah goeth naked.  (Ifaiah)
    • The defcription of an harlot./The ftudie of wifdome (Proverbs)
    • The churches favours, and/Davids zeal to ferve God. (Psalmes)
    • Obedience the beft facrifice./evils.  The majefty of Chrifts kingdome. (Psalmes)
    • Jacob bleffeth his fonnes./Jofephs age and death (Genesis) pending
    • His death/Jacobs funerall. (Genesis) pending
    • Of Diues and Lazarus.  Abraham bofome./The great Supper (Luke)
    • The fteward.  Riches of iniquitie./The prodigall fonne.  (Luke)
    • Samfons jawbone.  Deliahs/The foxes.  Samfons wife burnt.  (Judges)
    • Againft furetiefhip, idleneffe, &c./Of whoredome and riot (Proverbs)
    • Samfon killeth a lion: His riddle/falfhood.  Samfon is taken (Judges)

    gothic font – A fancy, old-fashioned print.  A little hard to read, but beautiful to behold!

    • The Ifraelites goe out of Egypt:/Mofes fong.  (Exodus) pending
    • The fea is diuided/Pharaoh purfueth them. (Exodus) pending
    • Gods wonderfull power:/in affliction.  (Psalmes)
    • Dauids prayer/His promife to Dauid (Psalmes)
    • The Paffeouer./Chrift accufed before Pilate. (Luke)
    • Luke (headers missing) – Peter will deny Christ; Christ arrested; Peter denies Him;

    To place an order, just leave a comment telling us what you want.  We’ll email to let you know if your choices are available and give you a total for your order.

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    Geneva Bible Page update and special offer

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    genevabannerThere’s a lot going on at our family business, Geneva Bible Pages, and we hope you’ll share our excitement.  Read all the way to the bottom for the special offer.

    • Bookmark orders are being filled today and tomorrow. You can still get them at a very good price – just 4/$21, with free shipping.
    • Everything on the site is still on sale for 30-50% off.  Check out the Family Bundle we created: 3 beautifully matted pages, ready to frame, and a set of 4 very special bookmarks, all for $90!  Take a look and bug me to upload photos of new items, like the floating frame.  Really.  I need the motivation.
    • We’re changing the way we do our framed pages and adding new products.   Check out the new, more affordable Standard Framed Page, and the simple, elegant floating frame.
    • Coming soon: we will be adding specific framed passages to our own For Sale page here at Life in a Shoe, so you can see just what you’re getting before you order.  These will come in a variety of more ornate frames, but still with archival quality acid-free materials.
    • I’d also like to add very special title pages to our line of products. To help raise the funds to buy a batch of these pages, I’d like to try to pre-sell a few with a great offer.   Here’s the deal: order any framed page on our website before August 1 and receive a free upgrade to a title page. Just mention this offer in the “notes” area of your order or leave a comment here to let me know.  The catch: your order will take an extra week to ship since we don’t have the pages yet.  It’s a pre-order, ok?
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    Big Giveaway

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    This one isn’t a Vision Forum giveaway, it’s a GenevaBiblepages.com giveaway, and we need your help.

    The Skinny:

    We over ordered – double actually – our stock, but instead of sending it back we decided to keep it and put our inventory on sale. We are running a 40% off sale over at Geneva Bible Pages.  We’ve even created a special Family Bundle at 50% off!

    What you can do:

    Blog, Twitter, Facebook,Digg, do whatever it takes to help us get the word out about this sale. We need to move this inventory fast – like in the next 2 weeks and we are prepared to make it worth your time to help us.

    What’s in it for you? Besides a great deal on a really cool gift, that is.

    There’s also 400 bucks -  well up to 400 dollars retail in products from GenevaBiblePages.com.

    Blog about our sale and giveaway (or facebook or twitter) and then come back here and leave a comment with a link to your efforts.  We will take entries until midnight June 17, then we will select a winner to pick up to 4 individual items from GenevaBiblePages.com absolutely free.   Our most expensive item sells for $94.99 each so that’s practically 400 dollars in retail.

    But wait!   There’s more! (Now where have I heard that before? )

    I will actually let the winner choose 200 dollars cash instead of up to 400 dollars in merchandise if they prefer.  Would you choose filthy lucre instead of a set of framed 400 year old Bible pages?

    ;)

    As always shipping is entirely free on GenevaBiblePages.comfree

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    Once more because we need to hear it.

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    Download the audio on Behemoth.com for free here: Doug’s ‘Freedom at Risk Speech’ on behemoth.com

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    April Foolishness

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    April Fool’s Day came and went this year with hardly a giggle in our house.  Sure, we played a few jokes but nearly all were verbal and immediately followed by shouts of “April Fool’s!”  The shouts were hardly necessary since they were invariably preceded by raised eyebrows and skeptical faces.

    Hubby was mean enough to call his poor, long-suffering mother and other relatives, raising false hopes of a surprise visit to Tennessee.  tsk, tsk.

    What April foolishness happened in your house?

    And now that your regularly scheduled day of national foolishness has passed – not to be confused with the national foolishness that happens every day of the year – here is a more serious look at foolishness:

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    Anti-procrastination

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    In the spirit of anti-procrastination Friday, I’m posting on Monday this week.  No, it doesn’t matter that I failed to post last Friday.  This counts for next Friday.  It’s my holiday, and I get to make up the rules.

    So…I finally assembled another Geneva Bible page for our poor Canadian customer.   She ordered her page in November and we shipped it.  After several weeks she very courteously let us know that it hadn’t arrived yet.  We checked and learned that it had cleared customs a week or two earlier, and encouraged her to wait a bit longer.

    A few weeks later she emailed again.  Still no page.  She asked us to initiate a trace, and after more waiting we learned that nobody knew what happened after it cleared customs.  It seems to have dissolved into a sticky puddle of nothing on the floor of some nameless Canadian post office.  Do they even have post offices there?  I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the problem.

    Finally, we decided to just replace the poor woman’s order.  And then I realized we were out of frames.  Each page requires one frame and 2 panes of glass.  I had to order them and wait.  And then we got sick.  And then we went on a prescheduled-not-on-our-own-dime hunting trip.  And got sick some more.

    And now, this very day, after an inexcusable amount of time, I have assembled a replacement.  It’s extra special to make up for the delay.  I hope it’s special enough.  Most of the pages we frame and sell are 400 year old random Old Testament passages, but this one is a title page – far more ornate than what she would have gotten in the first place.  I’m thinking I’ll toss in a set of bookmarks, also made from 400 year old Geneva Bible pages.  The goal is to make her so happy that she’ll place another order someday and actually hope that it gets lost along with my brain.

    Do you think it’s working?  Tell me this: if you were her, would you ever order from us again?  Would you just thank God that you didn’t ripped off and wash your hands of us, or would you recommend us to others?

    Or if you’d rather not answer, just get off your duff and do something you’ve putting off.  I know you had a perfectly good excuse reason for delay, but just do it now.  Then come right back and tell us.  Right back, you hear?  No procrastinating!

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    ABC Bible Memory Verse Songs

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    abcbible

    We had the privilege of previewing Sonbeam’s new collection of songs for Bible memory, and I have to tell you the little ones in our house enjoyed them quite a bit.  Her ABC Bible Memory Verse Songs includes one Bible verse set to music for each letter of the alphabet.  The tunes are cute and catchy, and the songs are short enough for little ones to learn easily.

    Each song sounds different, but usually includes the entire verse just once or twice.  You can hear short samples of some of the songs here.  There is just enough repetition to help little ones memorize the words without turning into the song that never ends.  I especially appreciate that the Bible reference is included right in the song.

    There is also a parent’s guide that includes each Bible verse, a brief simple lesson, and the complete lyrics.

    Sunday, February 1 is the launch date, and for One Day Only you will be able to download the entire song collection for the sale price of $7.95.   Oops.  Did you already miss it?  Give it a try anyway.  Candace said she might be a little slow taking down the sale.  :)

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    Matthew Henry on the topic of death

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    Last night I was at Vision Forum with the entire family.  As I sat at hubby’s desk, my eyes fell upon a sheet of paper taped to a door.  It bore the words to the old hymn, “Whate’er My God Ordains is Right.”  I was surprised to see it there.  The ink has faded slightly in the 5 years since hubby posted that paper, but there it hangs, a reminder of sweet sorrows.

    Maybe that’s why Matthew Henry’s commentary on John 11:11 really impressed these words of Christ upon my heart this morning:

    After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.”

    It is good to call death by such names and titles as will help to make it more familiar and less formidable to us… A good Christian, when he dies, does but sleep: he rests from the labours of the day past, and is refreshing himself for the next morning. Nay, herein death has the advantage of sleep, that sleep is only the parenthesis, but death is the period, of our cares and toils… Though the body corrupt, it will rise in the morning as if it had never seen corruption; it is but putting off our clothes to be mended and trimmed up for the marriage day, the coronation day, to which we must rise.

    What encouraging words to cling to in times of sorrow!  No, I’m not in a time of sorrow at the moment, but I want to hide these words of Christ in my heart away for a day when they are needed.  I’m thankful for our sleeping brother Mr. Henry, who reminds us to meditate upon every precious word of Christ.

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    The Bible Bee

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    Bible BeeHubby had an idea a while back: Everyone knows about spelling bees, but why doesn’t somebody start a Bible bee?  We didn’t act on the idea, but were excited to learn that somebody else had the same idea and actually did it!

    Does this sound like good clean fun, or what?!  We recently asked some questions about the upcoming Bible bee, and here are the answers we received from Mark Rasche, the Executive Director of the National Bible Bee.

    1. Give us the short answer: What is a Bible Bee?
    2. The Bible Bee is a Bible memory competition for children and youth between the ages of 7 and 18. It is very similar to a spelling bee, except contestants are required to recite Bible passages and facts rather than spell words.  You can visit our website at www.biblebee.org for more detailed information.

      The Shelby Kennedy Foundation is preparing to launch the first-of-its-kind, world-class Bible Bee Competition. The competition will begin with Local Contests in communities nationwide on September 12, 2009. The top 100 finalists from each age group will advance to the National Contest in Washington, D.C. to compete on November 5-6, 2009.

    3. Who came up with this idea?  How and why?
    4. The inspiration behind the National Bible Bee was a young lady named Shelby Kennedy.  Shelby went home to be with the Lord after an intense struggle with cancer in 2005.  Shelby was described as a “one-in-a-million Christian who had an unusual spiritual gift of faith, a special person who radiated joy, life, and hope to everyone she met.” Although Shelby had minimal energy and needed to use a wheelchair most of the time she was awake, what energy she had was focused on proclaiming Jesus Christ. Her testimony of hope in the midst of a fiery trial sparked a spirit of revival in those around her.

      A good friend of Michael Farris (our Board Chairman) attended Shelby’s memorial service and was so encouraged about her love for  the word of God and commitment to Scripture memorization, that he wanted to do something to honor her memory.

      He got to thinking about the National Spelling Bee, and what it seemed to be—a comparative waste of time. He concluded that while spelling words have their place, there is no value in spelling words when compared with learning the word of God.

      Taking these two ideas together, he approached Mike Farris and said, “Let’s start a National Bible Bee, in honor of Shelby Kennedy, to see that young people memorize what’s truly valuable—the word of God.”

    5. Are there any limits to who can participate?
    6. Any student between the ages of seven and eighteen is eligible to participate in the National Bible Bee Competition.

    7. What do you think participants will gain?
    8. There is unprecedented prize money of $260,000 being offered at the National Competition in Washington D.C. But while competing for awards is fun and exciting, the greatest reward is drawing near to God. We are striving to make every effort to help children and youth comprehend the power of the Bible passages they are studying (Hebrews 11:6). We recognize that only a small percentage of contestants will win awards; so, as the playing field narrows, we want to encourage all contestants to cheer on the finalists and “rejoice with those who rejoice” (Romans 12:15).

      The bottom line is that while the National Bible Bee promises to be a financially rewarding experience for a select group of national finalists, it is important to keep in mind that every child or youth who hides God’s Word in his or her heart is a winner! This is why we want to strongly emphasize our overarching goal—to reach children and youth with the truth of God’s Word, encouraging them to genuine spiritual growth,  so that they may be effective ambassadors for Jesus Christ to the next generation.

    9. How many local Bible Bees are there right now?
    10. We just announced the National Bible Bee a few weeks ago, and we have received hundreds of phone calls from people all over the nation requesting information on how to host a Bible Bee.  And we already have about a dozen Local Planning Committees registered!  Incidentally, the cut-off date for registering a Local Planning Committee is January 31, 2009.

    11. Is it difficult to start a Local Bible Bee in my area?
    12. Not at all.  We have spent several months putting together a comprehensive procedure manual that walks you through every step of the process.  The manual is fun, user-friendly and thorough.  Additionally, we have full-time professional event planners who are available toll-free throughout the entire program.

    13. What is the best way for folks to get involved right now? (start a Bible Bee?)
    14. I recommend that anyone interested in hosting a Bible Bee first go to our website – www.biblebee.org and get familiarized with the local and national Bible Bee information.  After reviewing the site, they should call our toll-free number at 1-888-324-2532 to speak with one of our Event Planners about registering.

    15. Where can I find information about starting a Bible Bee?
    16. www.biblebee.org or call us toll free at 1-888-324-2532!

    So…check and see if there’s a chapter in your area. If there is, consider joining. If not, consider starting one. And let us know if you do either!

    ***If you’re not convinced yet, check out the awardsYou won’t believe what you see!***

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    Just a quick observation…

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    Posted by: Deanna

    I have been reading through the Bible lately and last week I started on my fifth time through.

    Today I was reading Genesis 37 and the wording describing Jacob’s favoritism for Joseph caught my eye. It  says that “Jacob loved Joseph more because he was the son of his old age.” It had never really occurred to me that Joseph was the spoiled little brother.

    I like to sometimes try to imagine how it was to really be in the situations that they were. For example, I try to imagine what it was like for Joseph’s brothers to really know it was true when they said “Awww, Dad just likes him best because he’s youngest.” And I wonder, what would Joseph think if he knew that three thousand years later, people would still think of him as “The baby of the family”?

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    Evening round up

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    My friends the Brown family at Ketocton Baptists have provided a thought provoking read on feminism from a rather un-American standpoint.

    You see Mrs. Brown is Romanian by birth and grew up in a socialist society.

    From the post:

    Socialist governments want women in the work force as much as men and the family is a tool of production. Fathers do not provide vision for their children, but rather leave it up to the State. I am often times shocked to see that what was seen as oppression in the Socialist Republic of Romania is called liberty here in America (even among Christians). What really hit home was a comment made by Voddie Baucham [In the film Return of the Daughters]. He said, “I don’t know why we allow ourselves to be poured into the world’s mold…”

    Read the rest of the post here.

    On Doug’s blog there are insanely cute baby pictures and a hot babe in a blue dress … :)

    Voddie Baucham’s daughter gives us 10 reasons she doesn’t want to be VP when she grows up.

    Carmon Friedrich explains there are Bigger Dangers than Obama this election season,

    and last but not least Scott Brown sounds off on Searing the Conscience of the Church”.

    EDITED to include Kelly’s post on McCain’s positions. We all remember him, right?  The guy at the top of the ticket – the Big Kauhuna who will actually be making all the decisions that effect Sarah Palin ;)

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    More thoughts on the Mcdonald’s boycott

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    I as I caught up on some of the comments on my follow-up post on the McDonald’s Boycott I came across the following comment by blogger MInTheGap.  In his followup post he made a few good points I want to interact with, but first his comment:

    I always wonder if these things really work– especially with people that are hardened in their ways. McD’s clearly has taken a stand, and believes they’ve taken the right one.

    Well, I would point out a few recent boycotts that seem to have worked – Ford and American Girls Doll. I also know of a few that have not seemed to have any effect – the SBC boycott of Disney in the 80′s and 90′s. Incidentally, we did not take part in the Disney boycott because it just wasn’t on the radar for us back then.

    The other thing to think about is whether or not this will have the opposite effect. While I’m definitely in the “holiness” camp and not in the “love” camp, this is yet another opportunity for the Enemy to characterize us as unloving.

    I radically disagree with this statement or at least the implication that this is a bad thing. God is love AND He is holy; I don’t think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive.  To some extent the fact that we are even having this discussion (is it loving to take a public stand against sin) shows the success of the world to frame the debate. It’s the first card that McDonald’s played – I suspect due to the fact that its Vice President of Communications is a gay man who is also the corporate rep on the board of the NGLCC.  Gay activists are very good at trying to use the politics of guilt and pity for their own ends.

    Indeed, we need a positive thing we’re doing instead, and not just a negative thing.

    Agreed. I do positive things to combat the sins of our culture all the time. I attend public worship, I tithe, I have family worship, I train my children to read the Bible and pray.  In other words I try to live all of my life (and train my children) to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. This would include how I treat anyone I meet in person.  See Matthew 5.

    We also need to be careful that we do not exaggerate the importance of this one sin. We may all be willing to jump on the bandwagon of boycotting a place that supports homosexuality– but how about those that promote gluttony, gossip, and other immorality.

    I’m trying to give you things to think about. I believe homosexuality is one of the latter things that happens to a culture in decline, and it’s something that should be fought against, but we’re hypocrites if we only judge where we will eat based on this one issue.

    Well there are certainly things to think about here. Several things come to mind.

    1.) In my view God exaggerates the importance of this sin. Romans one makes a couple of points relevant to this.

    a.) The act is unnatural (Rom. 1:27)

    b.) The particular sin of homosexuality is in itself a judgment for the sins of idolatry (Rom. 1:27) – thus putting it in a unique category.  Not to belabor the point but it is a sign of the decay of a culture because it’s a form of judgment that brings more judgment from the Lord if not repented of. 

    2.) You are setting up a false dichotomy if you try to force a choice between boycotting everything and nothing. I might, as the head of my house, choose to commit to certain strategic efforts to force public change on one or more (or no) companies as I see fit before the Lord. This does not make me a hypocrite. You said in a recent post

    “How about boycotting the All-You-Can-Eat buffet for allowing or encouraging gluttony?  Any takers?  How about an organization to combat gossip, being a busybody, or invading someone else’s privacy? “

    As for gossip I direct you to the badge in my sidebar ;)   Back to your comment:

    We’re all sinners– some saved by grace. We need to be praying and working to bring people to repentance. This is more important than worrying about buying a burger from a specific place.

    Here is the heart of the matter for me.  See, an all-you-can-eat buffet is not actively promoting gluttony in the public sphere the way the NGLCC is.  I see the push to normalize homosexual behavior in our culture as the leading front (or one of them) in the culture wars. It’s at the heart of the attack against the Biblical family, and is being used to chip away, in our culture, at the fundamental social unit in society – the family – by chipping away at  the perceived differences between the genders and their roles.

    No one is denying that we need to work for repentance and faith in those who do not know Christ.  When you say “This is more important than worrying about buying a burger from a specific place,” I think you risk trivializing the issues and the people involved in the boycott.

    Finally I want to close by thanking MinTheGap for his thought provoking commentary.  We need good issue-driven discussions, illuminated by Scripture to sharpen us as believers.

    Links to MinTheGap posts:

    Boycott Mcdonald’s?

    The Ultimate Boycott

    MinTheGap’s comment on Kim’s post

    DON’T forget the Gunn Brothers awesome documentary from which the above clip was taken

    (BUY ONE TODAY!)

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